‘Hate speech’ targets 2nd Amendment supporters

‘Hate speech’ targets 2nd Amendment supporters


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'HATE SPEECH' TARGETS 2ND AMENDMENT SUPPORTERS
Television host insults guest while he explains right to self-defense
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“If this hate speech leads to hate crimes, people like Piers Morgan and Chris Matthews will be partly responsible.”

That’s the word from Second Amendment Foundation Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb on the issue of the vitriol that is being directed both at gun owners and firearms rights organizations in the aftermath of the Connecticut school shooting tragedy.


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Gottlieb said the hostile tone against gun owners may lead to actual “hate crimes,” and some of the communications that have come into his office have been “vulgar.”

“We have received some vulgar e-mails from people that want us to vanish for the sake of a civilized world,” Gottlieb said. “This kind of rhetoric does not contribute to any rational discussion.”

He said the level of dialogue is only heightening a violent atmosphere.

“Vitriol like this only promotes hate, but apparently it’s OK to perpetuate bigotry so long as you are an anti-gunner, and a liberal. If anyone is harmed as a result of this hate campaign, we expect them to be prosecuted under the hate crimes laws,” Gottlieb said.

The Examiner reported Texas Democratic Party leader John Cobaruvvias tweeted that NRA supporters should be shot.

“Can we now shoot the NRA and everyone who defends them?” he asked.

Cobaruvvias is not the only one to post an angry tweet. From a Democratic Party Twitter feed came “Murder every NRA member” and another too vile and violent to reproduce here.

Ironically, the NRA reports that in the days following the Connecticut school shootings, the gun group gained membership. One report said that the NRA has gained 8,000 new members each day since the Connecticut shootings.

But the rhetoric on television and in columns has been strident.

One of the clearest examples of the tone in the dialogue is the exchange between Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt and CNN host Piers Morgan.

In the interview Pratt said, “I think we need to ban gun control laws that keep people from being able to protect themselves. The problem is not going to go away if we ban this or that gun. We’ve tried that. That doesn’t work. Doesn’t even work in England. You have mass murders there all over Europe. There have been mass murderers.”

The dialogue:

Morgan: “You’re talking complete and utter – you are talking complete and utter nonsense. ”

Pratt: “The solution is for people to be able to defend themselves at the point of the crime and not wait for 20 minutes for the police to come after everybody is dead.”

Morgan: “What you’ve just said, Mr. Pratt, was an absolute lie. The gun murder rate in countries like Britain or Germany or Australia, who’ve all suffered massacres many years ago, similar nature, have – there are 35 people killed a year. Your country has 12,000.”

Pratt: “Your murder rate has – your murder rate is lower than ours, that is true. Your violent – ”

Morgan: “Lower? It’s 75 against 12,000 in Australia. ”

Pratt: “Your violent crime rate – ”

Morgan: “They had a massacre. And they got rid of these assault weapons.”

Pratt: “Your violent crime rate is higher than ours as is the violent crime rate in Australia. America is not the Wild West that you are depicting. We only have the problem in our cities, and unhappily, in our schools where people like you have been able to get laws put on the books that keep people from being able to defend themselves.

“I honestly don’t understand why you would rather have people be victims of a crime than be able to defend themselves. It’s incomprehensible. ”

Morgan: “You’re an unbelievably stupid man, aren’t you?”

Pratt: “It seems to me that you’re morally obtuse. You seem to prefer being a victim to being able to prevail over the criminal element. And I don’t know why you want to be the criminal’s friend. ”

Morgan: “What a ridiculous argument. You have absolutely no coherent argument whatsoever. You don’t – you don’t actually give – ”

Pratt: “You have no – ”

Morgan: You don’t give a d—, do you, about the gun murder rate in America? You don’t actually care. All you care about – ”

See the exchange:



Salon editor Jacob Sugarman contributed to the tone by his report on Pratt’s interview with Chris Matthews. Sugarman compared Pratt to a snake in his article.

“The reptilian executive director of Gun Owners of America, last seen telling gun control advocates that ‘they have the blood of little children on their hands,’ argued that we are less free without automatic rifles and need to stay prepared,” Sugarman wrote, inserting the quote from Pratt.

“Does this mean that the Gun Owners of America’s 300,000 members are preparing to revolt?” Sugarman also wrote.

Citizen’s Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Communications Director Dave Workman says the current atmosphere isn’t helping the situation and that his group wants to open a real dialogue.

“We want to really study the issue of what causes violence in America. We want to examine the issue of mental health in America and take a hard look at violent video games and television shows,” Workman said.

Workman says his group’s interest is to bring the discussion back to the factors that really cause violence.

SAF President Joseph Tartaro said focusing on guns alone “to the exclusion of possible other causative factors is doomed to failure.”


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aPLWBinAK • 2 days ago
Morgan needs to go home and clean up his own back yard instead of hectoring us about things he knows nothing about.....England's young girls are being systemically raped by gangs of Moozulms who seem to enjoy some young infidel meat when they're not molesting goats....go home Morgan, and embrace the creeping in of Sharia law there.
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Fast Eddy  aPLWBinAK • 2 days ago
They don't have freedom of speech in Britain, they are no longer free...
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aPLWBinAK  Fast Eddy • 2 days ago
Agreed, hence my mention of Sharia.
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ilovemy56  aPLWBinAK • 2 days ago
Yeah, I say go back to England & live with the rest of your dictating muslim cronies you stupid Limey!!!!!!
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William  ilovemy56 • 2 days ago −
I agree he should go back to England you liberal scum,wher is your mention of Jamie Foxx's comment on enjoying killing white people in his crappy movie.
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joe. jablonski  ilovemy56 • 2 days ago
Cnn no longer a source of news but a proving ground for potential hawkers on those dreaded late-night commercials
No stickum' eh. What clowns!
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John Whitworth  joe. jablonski • 2 days ago
news flash cnn was NEVER a source of news
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don3345  Fast Eddy • 2 days ago
Neither do we, if you dare open your mouth about some of the protected minorities in the country. Or dare yell anything remotely racist as you defend yourself from any attacker who is not a white straight male.
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jarhead1982  don3345 • 2 days ago
My freedom of speech is enforced by what resides on my hip, so I open my mouth whenever and however I choose, welcome to America.
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ilovemy56  jarhead1982 • 2 days ago
Semper Fi bud, Ditto here!!!!!!!!!!!
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rivahmitch  ilovemy56 • 2 days ago
Indeed! Semper Fi!
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Dan Cusiter  BillCNC • 2 days ago
Bill..........the problem is and your failing to get the point.......if a responsible citizen gives up his gun the thug is going to have his. It's clear that you have never spent anytime in the "hood" and have not a clue about life.
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rs1123  Dan Cusiter • a day ago
Bill probably grew up in a place where violence was uncommon - because of the culture, not because of a lack of guns.
My mom grew up in Chicago in the 1930's and 40's where on very hot summer nights, whole familes would go down to the park and sleep in blankets on the ground where it was cooler. Nobody got shot. Nobody got raped. Nobody got robbed. You were safe to take your wife and kids down there and sleep on the ground.
Maybe Bill can tell us what to ban to prevent robbery and rape and other attacks. Ban knives? Maybe pass news laws saying 'it is really, really, really illegal to rob or hurt others'? Bill, sorry but you are a fool, a typical liberal who cannot think past the end of your nose.
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Sunshine Kid  rs1123 • a day ago
Legislation never solved problems. Enforcement of decency does.
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ginger  Sunshine Kid • 18 hours ago
Trouble is that decency is no longer "cool"..and our "culture" is that young people think whatever they want is okay to take from someone else who has earned it..that they "deserve" it. Since God is out of favor, there are no standards of behavior now.
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Sunshine Kid  ginger • 9 hours ago
God may be out of favor for some left wing idiots, but not for me!
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rs1123  BillCNC • 2 days ago
Bill, if someone breaks into my house at 3am and can do harm to my wife and kid, I don't think 'growing a pair' and yelling at them is going to save my family. Geez what a fool you are. My 12 gauge shotgun will protect my family, believe it.

If you 'grew a brain' and allowed for our kids to be defended, instead of insisting that they be sitting ducks, they would be safer by far. It works in Israel. Chicago is 'gun free and has a terrible murder rate.

Obiously, Connecticut needs to post signs in all schools saying "This is a really, really, really gun free zone and the law says so and you have to obay the law!" Oh wait, it's only the law-abiding citizens who pose no danger who bother to obey laws. I guess laws don't affect those who don't worry about them in the first place.

Bill, your whole argument is utterly illogical and would solve nothing.
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sha49tn  rs1123 • a day ago
Chicago is #1 in murders, of ANY alpha city in the world. And, Ct. is the #5 state with gun laws. LAWS do not stop murders, nor does doing away with weapons. When they disarm the law abiding citizens, then the criminal element will run rampant.
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Richard Trundle  rs1123 • 20 hours ago
CHICAGO has alot of MOBS,I can almost promise no one will take away all thrir weapons. TRY IT
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RT72  rs1123 • 12 hours ago
Like most people the government and many LEOs will not do the hard work of actually going after the people who perpetrate most of the murders in the US. If they focused on destroying the gangs, many of the crimes committed, would not have been. Many of the drug problems in the US would also end. Of course that would mean that the law enforcement community and legal system focus on major problems instead of the easier stuff. It also means that the US citizen recognize we have to stop the really bad people and not worry about the lost dog or cat. We can solve the big problems if we want to do the hard work of getting the bad people off the streets.
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jarhead1982  BillCNC • a day ago
Yeah, so sad that I stopped that 6'2" 300+ lb burglar who was breaking in on my normally alone 5'1" 100lb mother, who we found later a violent felony assault record on women, from breaking in upon my mother, oh how cowardly of I. Real sad and pathetic how I stopped at best a beating, worst a murder 29 years ago. Would have been much better in your POS opinion to let him do what he wanted as burglars have superior rights to us poor peasants eh nonuts?

Oh you mean that cute little trailer park cutie in the halter top who said her car was broken down, and then her boyfriend was hiding alongside the road to whack me with a ball bat, yeah they were real safe.

Hey how about the three young fellas down at the River boat launch that one day, one circling from one side, the other from the other side, and what were they hanging by their sides, oh yeah tire irons, oh boy.

Say, you mean those for gang banger wannabes at the mall thinking they were going to take my wallet with the money for my fiancees engagement ring, encircling us out in the mall parking lot with flip knives, wow, no balls there eh.

How about those four bald headed fellows of the white sheet persusaion at the gas station late at night telling me "leave old man before you get hurt, while they had an old coloured couple cornered,.

Yeah, no shots fired, that big burglar did run off the deck crapping himself though.

So where were the cops nonuts?

Oh thats right, nonuts is a criminal advocate, recruiting for the Brotherhood of Criminal Local 666.

Nonuts hasnt ever been in a situation he couldnt suck and swallow his way out of apparently.

Then too, I just aint into beasteality like he is.

So come an take em, but you better grow a big pair and let um drop, old men like me tend to shoot first cause we cant run away fast anymore and we just aint going to take a beating because some jackass thinks we should.
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okihadit  jarhead1982 • a day ago
right on!
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jackgronlund  jarhead1982 • a day ago
What he Said in Spades!
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Fred Bellsmith  jarhead1982 • 21 hours ago
Jesus said " Sell your coat and buy a sword". We all need to be armed for protection. Only then will the criminal element think twice about attacking.
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CyclingFoodmanPA  jarhead1982 • 19 hours ago
Well said jarhead1982. I thank you for your service from the bottom of my heart. Wish we had more in government that thought like you and had your conviction. I would highly recomend EVERYONE look up Lt. Col. Dave Grossman and buy his DVD's and read all his books. Wish he was director of Homeland Security instead of that moron Janet N. I have read all his books, viewed his DVD's and seen him in person. Dave Grossman is awesome and check him out.
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constitutionalist  BillCNC • 2 days ago
Reminds me of the movie scene of how the Clint Eastwood character dealt with the oriental martial arts dude who was demonstrating all the aggressive posturing. Quick draw. Single shot. Fight over.

Someone invades my home, I don't want to get physical. I want to use chemistry and physics - the chemistry of the gunpowder explosion and the physics of the momentum imparted thereby to the lead projectile heading the criminal's way.
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George Payne  BillCNC • a day ago
Cowards are those that deny law abiding American citizens their rights under the 2nd Amendment.
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Lt_Scrounge  BillCNC • 2 days ago
When a thug comes at you with a machete, which would you prefer in your hand, an IPhone 5 or a .45? Watch the video series on Youtube put together by the JPFO and Dr. Ignacio Piazza.
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Eleanor  BillCNC • 2 days ago
Most idiotic statement by a so called man. Who protects the women and children while you are getting your ass shot off during a break-in. From your tone, you could care less what happens to innocents as long as you percieve yourself to have a pair of balls, Guess they also match that streak of yellow down your back too.
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james street  BillCNC • a day ago
A friend of mine and I were beaten nearly to death by a gang of seven blacks carrying baseball bats. We (all two of us) were unarmed. Do you see where this is leading? We were defenseless against seven armed people. Or even if they would have been unarmed it was still seven on two. Now if you can fight against those odds and walk away then Ill consider your point.
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wi163175  james street • 5 hours ago
ACCORDING TO BILLCNC's "belief system", James, you and your friend should have just "reasoned" with those 7 savages. Had you done so, I'm sure that they would have seen the error of their ways and bid you both a "good night".

Yeah---sure!!

OLD ONE 76
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OldNYFirefighter  BillCNC • a day ago
I happen to know a female that could beat your brains out & you would be whimpering as badly as Morgan. Me, I'm too old to get in a fist fight, so attack me & you won't have a pair as I will blow them off.
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Sunshine Kid  BillCNC • a day ago
Yeah MAN - bring on the fists while the coward blows you away with his illegal gun. Life is not civilized anymore. Society has generated to "living in the 'hood, with gangs, drugs and muggers. Fists are so Queensbury Rules that no one even cares about.
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okihadit  BillCNC • a day ago
well, if you have kids and someone was ready to shoot them , no matter what you said or did, does that mean your so manly that you would just shut the hell up and let them shoot your childeren, you call that a man? taking does not too dam much with the crazies..............
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thismustend  BillCNC • a day ago
As soon as you disarm every bla ck & Hispanic criminal gangbanger then come talk to me. By the way, you simpering nutless leftist P O S, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE!
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sha49tn  BillCNC • a day ago
Yeah, & only IDIOTS bad mouth Marines! And, one of these days, when you're in a life threatening situation, do NOT yell for police, or anyone else that carries.
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jackgronlund  BillCNC • a day ago
That's genius - bring a fist to a gun-fight, that's even dumber than the gangster that brought a knife to a gun-fight in the untouchables.
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Samuel J. Saladino  BillCNC • a day ago
You've never dealt with a criminal have you. If someone has a gun on you, demanding your money, there's no way you can argue your way out of that situation. Refuse to give them your money, you are shot. Try to remember too many details so you can tell the police, they get suspicious and shoot you. Give them your wallet and hope for the best. They have your driver's license and know your address. While you are at work they drop by and clean out your house.

Most criminals are not intellectuals, they look for the easiest targets and do their dirty deeds, they will not sit there and debate with you.
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Joe Reid  BillCNC • 9 hours ago
Hey Bill....you're an idiot....Apparantly you think that if someone is robbing you at gunpoint then you either talk your way out of it or slug it out with him....What a moron you are. The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. And by the way....I've got a huge pair....
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Tom Sanborn  BillCNC • 19 hours ago
You're stupid, should be a politician because you think just like them.
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Wibbys1  Fast Eddy • 2 days ago
And these idiots will not rest until the once free and glorious USA is just like the rest of the miserable down trodden masses.
Just read an interesting tidbit last night: A gun culture that equaled the US was of all places- Chechnya. They loved their guns and every household had some. Well history shows that did not play too well for the Russian aggressors.
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Robert Anderson Sr  Fast Eddy • 2 days ago
Also check out how many MUSLIM'S they have there! England can not control it's own country and we let a LIMY like Piers in here to tell us what to do? How about shipping him back and he can take OBAMA with him !!
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rs1123  Robert Anderson Sr • a day ago
Piers Morgan should go back to evaluating would-be singers.
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pdlane  Fast Eddy • 2 days ago
But the British do manufacture the very finest hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns in the world....
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Sunshine Kid  pdlane • a day ago
They did, but with gun control laws in GB, the only sales they can have is overseas, so the business is not as fine as it once was. Russia, however, . . . .
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Rhonda Renee Sessions  pdlane • a day ago
And thanks to our government, we can no longer import rifles from other countries. They have to be manufactured here in the US. That is in thanks to George W. Bush. (And no, I am not against him... just stating facts.)
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fred37ify  pdlane • a day ago
Naw - They used too - but not any more ! A Ruger is a match for any Weatherby built in the last 40 years ! And costs half as much !
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disqus_V2oelvFKhB  fred37ify • a day ago
Weatherby Rifles have been manufactured in the USA since 1945, NOT IN England
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kathycasey  aPLWBinAK • 2 days ago
There is no way to have a discussion with a foaming at the mouth liberal who is maniacally defending the country he left while damning the country he has chosen to live in.
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